Refutation of the Biases: Debate Between a Muta’a’alim about Not Testing the People About Innovators



Refutation of the Biases:

Debate Between a Muta’a’alim about not testing the people about Innovators!


All Praise is for Allah the Exalted the Most High, and peace and blessing be upon His final and last Messenger, and his family and his companions.

That which follows:

After a brother posted a good reminder Youtube clip: “Do not Test the People by asking them about Innovators “

As what is correct you test the people with the Imams of the Sunnah, and you do not test the people about asking them about the Innovators. But you warn against innovation and its people.

This al-Mut’a’aalim Adam Assad (  Muta’a’alim المتعالم  who pretend to have knowledge / falsely educated, they take from the books and audio websites without ahulu ilm {people of knowledge}, and they think they are scholars) speaks ill of the Scholars like Shaykh Salih al Fawzan saying he has mistakes, and ill manners with Shaykh Rabeea if he errors we refute him and he feels you can test the people with innovators.  After I was giving a brother sincere advice about seeking knowledge from ahulu ilm and learning the Sunnah from them. This Mutaa’alim  can not hold back his tongue.


A debate with Adam Assad after him seeing this clip, and advice, he  got upset:

Adam Assad The point is that you have no right to speak against it. A Salafi doesn’t speak against the way of the Salaf.


Islam’s Finest Abu-Abdillah Abdul Lateef and the most dangerous of them and most harmful from what you asked are the zealous and emotional of them who have no knowledge and did not learn it from the hands of ahul ilm, except for confine to books and audios and youtube and websites only, is that they act upon their emotions and zealousness but have no knowledge to back it up except for they heard so and so said this, and read in a book this, or was told by so and so that, but did not learn it from ahul ilm. They do not understand what they read or even how to apply it and when to do so.

They are the most dangerous. As Imam Bukhari said in the book of knowledge the section: Knowledge before speech and action”, and they deem the people off by these questioning, and not understanding or returning to ahul ilm who are known for their knowledge like Shaykh Salih Fawzan and the other Major Senior scholars.


Adam Assad Allahu Akbar, I was surprised at you people’s lack of hastiness to follow the Salaf as you don’t witness this attitude from actual Salafi brothers associated with Spubs but now I see (judging by the material on your pages) that you individuals are Baseerah.org followers, it’s not surprising at all now. Allah yahdeekum.

 


Adam Assad Shaykh Salih Fawzaan can be unaware of the Salaf’s position regarding an issue, just as he was unaware regarding whether or not it’s permissible to be happy at the death of an innovator. The likes of Shaykh Salih Fawzaan and Shaykh al-Abbad are excused in such situations because they are Major ‘Ulama known generally for their constant ittiba’ of the Salaf, their Manhaj is also Saleem, they follow the fundamentals of the Salaf so even if they lack or fall short in an issue, their judgement goes back to the fundamentals they are upon and that’s how we judge them (according to their fundamentals) therefore such a situation doesn’t lower their status or weaken their methodology. As for you, your not upon their methodology, since after clearly understanding the way of the Salaf regarding this issue, you have no excuse, it is not permissible for you to hold on to the opinion of Shaykh Salih fawzaan or anyone, even Imam Ahmed, or Ibn Taymiyyah, or Ibn Uthaymeen or Shaykh Rabee and so on. Such Ta’assub to opinions is what Salafiyyah is opposed to in it’s very essence and this is the Ta’assub and hizbiyyah your manifesting. May Allah guide the followers ofMadeenah.com/Baseerah.org Jamee’an.

 


Islam’s Finest May Allah reward you. Adam Assad may I ask are you from ahul ilm or a student of knowledge? If so which shaykh did you study with?

 


Islam’s Finest Adam Assad If Shaykh Salih al Fawzaan and Shaykh Abbad is unaware, why do you not make it clear to them? Have you asked them? Allahu Mustaan, Jahil Murakib , not Jahil Buseet.

 


Islam’s Finest As this guy post proves my point, they do not seek knowledge with ahul ilm, but only books and audio and youtube, and websites only so much so this brother may Allah guide him Adam Assad who not from ahul ilm or a student of knowledge claims Shaykh Salih al Fawzan and Shaykh Muhsin alAbbad are unaware of the salaf’s position , but Adam Assad knows, this is a serious of affair of the Muta’alim so much so they attack the major scholars saying they are not aware of many of the Affairs of  Salafiyah but Adam Assad knows this not jahil basit but Jahil Murakib may Allah protect us from their harm and understanding.

 


Islam’s Finest Pretending to Have Knowledge and its Grave Effects on the Nation From a Book of Clarification of Mistakes in Some Books
Responses and Miscellaneous Statements Third Part
By Eminence Shaykh Dr. Salih bin Fawzaan bin Abdillah al Fawzan
May Allah Preserve him Translated by Abul Baraa Muhammad Abdullah bin Earl bin Earl A’l Allister al-Amreeki
All praise is due to Allah and Peace and Blessing be upon our Prophet and his family and his companions and him who follows him. Concern what follows: For it is necessary for the nation, knowledge, and scholars because Allah Glorified is He sent the Messenger sallahu wa alayhi wa salam and He sent down the Quran guidance for the people and clear proofs evidence sign from the guidance and the Forqaan ( the truth between truth and falsehood). Allah the Most High said:هُوَ الَّذِي أَرْسَلَ رَسُولَهُ بِالْهُدَىٰ وَدِينِ الْحَقِّ لِيُظْهِرَهُ عَلَى الدِّينِ كُلِّهِ وَلَوْ كَرِهَ الْمُشْرِكُونَ“It is He Who has sent His Messenger sallahu wa alayhi wa salam with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) hate (it).”
At-Tawbuh33 And the guidance: it is the knowledge that is beneficial and the Deen of truth: and its righteous actions. So the Messengersallahu wa alayhi wa salam was sent with knowledge and actions and that knowledge is lifted up with grasping to the scholars, and the people are seized by the ignorant heads so they give verdict (Islamic opinions} without knowledge so they are astray and astray others. Just as the Prophetsallahu wa alayhi wa salam informed us.Knowledge is not obtained except by learning and obtaining it from the Scholars. Allah the Most High said:وَمَا كَانَ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ لِيَنفِرُوا كَافَّةً ۚ فَلَوْلَا نَفَرَ مِن كُلِّ فِرْقَةٍ مِّنْهُمْ طَائِفَةٌ لِّيَتَفَقَّهُوا فِي الدِّينِ وَلِيُنذِرُوا قَوْمَهُمْ إِذَا رَجَعُوا إِلَيْهِمْ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَحْذَرُونَ“And it is not (proper) for the believers to go out to fight (Jihad ) altogether. Of every troop of them, a party only should go forth, that they (who are left behind) may get instructions in (Islamic) religion, and that they may warn their people when they return to them, so that they may beware (of evil).”
At-Tawbah 122So he who takes knowledge from merely books without reading it with the scholars and obtaining its commentary and explanation from them. Knowledge is not obtained from the Mutaalimeen (individuals who pretend to have the knowledge, who have not finish any thing, those who do not take knowledge from the scholars ) those who took their knowledge from pages and they explain it from their thinking and their comprehension. So التعالم at-Taalim ( describing the action of those who pretend to have knowledge) it means make believe knowledge (pretending or claiming to have knowledge), the result is confining oneself upon reading books. And the example of this it is said by him who al-Jahil al-Murakib (beyond ignorant) he who is ignorant and he does not know that he is jahil ignorant rather he thinks of his self as an Alim (scholar some one who understand Islam as a whole). How many are victimized from this path upon the old and current ummah (Islamic Nation) from these ordeals? So the first to graduate the schools of pretending to have knowledge ( taking knowledge without scholars) they are the Khawarij those who denied the companions may Allah be pleased with them and they fought against the companions and they killed Uthman and Ali and Talha and Zubar and other s from the companions (of the Messenger of Allah sallahu wa alayhi wa salam) may Allah be pleased with them.
It continues the bands graduating from this school and coming out of it continuous upon the ummah.And from the event that happens in the Makkah and the events of explosions and scaring those who are secure (not at war, under the protection of the Muslim government ) in our present time. Except for the expanding of this evil misfortune school. Just as that it continues to bring out from this school those who takfeer (deem Muslims disbelievers) or tab’deea (proclaim people as deviant without proper proofs) the Muslims and comes out from it those who give verdicts without knowledge. So they make halaal (lawful) what AllahmakesHaraam (prohibit) or they make haraam what AllahmakesHalaal. SotheIslamic Nation will continue to suffer from the harms of those who abase the scholars and they describe them as being without awareness and understanding reality ( of affairs and peoples lives). And that they are scholars of the government (scholars for dollars) that they are sycophant (sell outs) and the companions of the chairs ( اصحاب كراسي what any person who is responsible for people like President or Minister of any affairs related to government) and other than that. And they flee from obtaining knowledge fromtheUlimaa (scholars). It is obligatory on the nation’s youths beware fromtheseMutaalimeen (those who pretend to have knowledge) and safeguards upon obtaining knowledge from the scholars and returning to them in resolving their problems. So indeed the scholars are the inheritors of the prophets and indeed Allah distinguishes them from other than them with knowledge ( those who are not like them). So He the Most High said:قُلْ هَلْ يَسْتَوِي الَّذِينَ يَعْلَمُونَ وَالَّذِينَ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ ۗ إِنَّمَا يَتَذَكَّرُ أُولُو الْأَلْبَابِ“ Say: “Are those who know equal to those who know not?” It is only men of understanding who will remember (i.e. get a lesson from Allah’s Signs and Verses).”
Az-Zumar 9

Just as it is obligatory the utmost effort to establishes firmly who educates and issuing fatwas, except he is known for knowledge and he knows where he obtained the knowledge.

May Allah give you all success with beneficial knowledge and righteous actions and peace and blessing be upon our prophet Muhammad and his family and his companions.

 

 


Islam’s Finest Adam Assad I look at your page, I never knew there was a group called Madkhaliyyan, Allahu Mustaan you need seek knowledge with ahul ilm disparately.

 


Islam’s Finest Adam Assaad you said: ” it is not permissible for you to hold on to the opinion of Shaykh Salih Fawzaan or anyone, even Imam Ahmed, or Ibn Taymiyyah, or Ibn Uthaymeen or Shaykh Rabee and so on. Such Ta’assub to opinions is what Salafiyyah is opposed to in its very essence and this is the Ta’assub and hizbiyyah your are manifesting”Then if this so you contradict your self this is the Muta’a’aalim , then why on your page you label your self as a Madkhali you just said it’s not permissible to hold on to opinions of Shaykh Fawzan or imam Ahmed ibn Tayimay or Ibn Utheymeen of Shaykh Rabee . But you call your self Madhaliya, that is tas’ssub and hizbiya. Jahil Murakib, zealous brothers with no knowledge are the most harmful upon the Muslims due to them being jahil and do not even know, they see them self of a person of knowledge.

 


Adam Assad Lol you try really hard don’t you Islam’s Finest, Shaykh Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din Al-Hilali Said in one of his poems that if the people of Tawheed are referred to as Wahhabis then Alhamdulillah we are Wahhabis, Shaykh Salih Fawzaan himself has Similar Kalaam. Calling myself Madkhali was a Similitude for the use of the term Wahhabi to intend the Same concept but instead aimed at the Sunnah rather than Tawheed, not to establish a sect or any of the sort as your claiming was my intent, so if you want to blame me and criticize me for using the term with that intention, then do the same with the two Mashaikh mentioned.

 


Islam’s Finest Adam Assad, there is no group name or titled as Madkhali and not one the names of ahul sunnah wa jammah , from ahul ilm in the past or present, no scholars of today label them selves this name. It shows you titled this name due to Taassub to a particular person or group of persons from a camp or mathab. You contradict your self and show your level. There no asabiya in Salafiya neither do we tie our self to a scholar or group of scholars, as said by many from ahul ilm from the past to present. That statement of Muhammad Taqid ud Din al Hilal not daleel due to proofs come from the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of His messenger sallahu wa alayhi wa salam the nasuus (text). No matter how much you are attached to these personalities.

 


Adam Assad Allah knows my Love for the Haq and that i have no Hizbiyyah for any individual and that Wallahi the Salafis will refute even Shaykh Rabee and declare him an innovator if he is ever to be deserving of it. Allah knows that i love the Shaykh, more than Myself and that i do not expect that of him, but anyone can be subject to trial and this is the belief of a Salafi regarding any individual. Allah is my witness that i am free of your lies and false claims. I will no longer waste my time speaking to you.

 


Islam’s Finest No this was not a waste of time, for now, the brother (and those who following ) who I was giving some advice can see my points that I made through your examples. Baraka Allah lee wa lakum.

 


Islam’s Finest The description of the Mutaa’alim,
1. looking for the scholars’ mistakes and hoping for their downfall:
“Wallahi the Salafis will refute even Shaykh Rabee and declare him an innovator if he is ever to be deserving of it. Allah knows that I love the Shaykh”

2. Claim the scholars do not know, but they do and trying to follow up their mistakes:
“Shaykh Salih Fawzaan can be unaware of the Salaf’s position regarding an issue, just as he was unaware regarding whether or not it’s permissible to be happy at the death of an innovator. The likes of Shaykh Salih Fawzaan and Shaykh al-Abbad are excused in such situations because they are Major ‘Ulama known generally for their constant ittiba’ of the Salaf, their Manhaj is also Saleem, they follow the fundamentals of the Salaf so even if they lack or fall short in an issue”

3. Contradicting themselves, due to their incorrect understanding from being confine to books:
” it is not permissible for you to hold on to the opinion of Shaykh Salih Fawzaan or anyone, even Imam Ahmed, or Ibn Taymiyyah, or Ibn Uthaymeen or Shaykh Rabee and so on. Such Ta’assub to opinions is what Salafiyyah is opposed to in it’s very essence and this is the Ta’assub and hizbiyyah your manifesting”

…… but label his Self as a Madkhali.


4. Confining them selves to books and do not understand them even if they are books from ahul sunnah:
“Shaykh Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din Al-Hilali Said in one of his poems that if the people of Tawheed are referred to as Wahhabis then Alhamdulillah we are Wahhabis, Shaykh Salih Fawzaan himself has Similar Kalaam. Calling myself Madkhali was a Similitude for the use of the term Wahhabi to intend the Same concept but instead aimed at the Sunnah rather than Tawheed, not to establish a sect or any of the sort as your claiming was my intent, so if you want to blame me and criticize me for using the term with that intention, then do the same with the two Mashaikh mentioned.” ....
Trying to use this as proofs as its okay to label one self Madkhali when no one from ahul ilm present or past said this, and thinking the statement of Shaykh Muhammad Taqi ud Din al Halali is Daleel for this labeling when Daleel comes from the Nasuus. They do not comprehend what they read in books or how to apply it.

To get a good understand of Muta’alim and Talim ( those who pretend they have knowledge, those whoare confinede to books , audios,youtube, websites, did not take their knowledge from ahu lilm)

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